Recently Jim Wakefield on GHMB brought up Petrie’s data for distances between major pyramids at Giza and proposed there is an order to them that Petrie might not have dug deeply enough into the data to spot.
In the course of looking at Petrie’s data again, I decided maybe it was time to take the bull by the horns concerning more of Petrie’s Giza data. Jim quoted a passage from Petrie that mentioned “peribolus” walls, and I’ve generally had some encouraging results looking at the data from enclosure walls with pyramids outside of Giza, as if indeed they are proportioned so as to “speak to” the proportions of the pyramids they enclose.
There’s also the matter of pyramid platforms. With Giza, looking at the relationship between the proportions of the Great Pyramid and those of its platform have been very rewarding, even if slightly vague (I may not have enough data to tell if the measures I obtain refer to the width of the platform on top or the bottom, it’s edges are tapered so that there are two similar figures for this rather than just one).
I don’t seem to have a clarification of whether these are interior or exterior measurements for the pyramid enclosure, but for the Mycerinus pyramid, Petrie has several values relating to the enclosure wall of 4450 inches and 8897 inches. The larger is just 3 inches away from being twice the other.
These don’t seem to relate to rational numbers of Royal Cubits or Remens, the apparent premiere metrological units of the ancient Egyptian.
4450 / 12 = 370.8333333 = 741.66666666
8897 / 12 = 741.4166666
And I’m curious whether either one of these is wanting to talk about the 7.412765010 value that I reposted a “dossier” about elsewhere that is now embarrassingly dated.
In the event that this repetition were redundant, a possible second number worthy of discussion is 7.4275533026, if it’s not too high for these estimates. It might be, I think Petrie has been accurate even in the measuring of things as large as enclosures, but the state of preservation of Giza’s enclosure walls could affect the accuracy in unusual ways.
There’s also 7.402203303, which is 5 x (1.216733603^2), and if we got away with going that low we perhaps might as well go all the way to 7.396853329, the Squared Munck Megalithic Yard.
So the jury’s still a bit out on this one, and then there is 3401 (the distance from the base of the Mycerinus to the interior of the enclosure wall on the W side.
The outer/inner distance ratio on this side is 3401/3309 = 1.027802962, which is probably the rather ubiquitous 1.027340740, the reciprocal form of the Egyptian foot (or the reciprocal of 80 Remens if one prefers) according to me.
On the south side, the enclosure length for Mycerinus is a remarkable 14049 inches
14049 / 12 = 1170.75 ft. That looks a lot like one of the 1170- figures I hesitate to talk about for fear that someone “just tuning in” might confuse them with the all-important 1.177245771 (Munck’s “Alternate Pi”).
From some of my notes, here is one of them – “For what it’s worth we sometimes get things like (1 / 1.025135529) x 12 = 1.170576930 = 360 / (61508.13172 / 2). 1.170576903 is important to place in the presence of both 1.177245771 and (Pi/3) for both the series that are formed at higher powers.”
I’ve run into things like this both working with Andrews’ data for ancient Mayan sites, and Angelopoulos’ data for ancient Greek sites and a fair amount has already been learned about their possible place in the scheme of mathematically-based ancient metrology..
The ratio between the estimated 1170.75 value and the adjacent section estimated at 8897 in = 741.4166666 may be 16 Pi, that’s certainly what it looks like from the Petrie’s raw data.
1170.75 / 741.4166666 = 1.579071596 = 1.599934033 x Pi) / 10
The wall length on the West is given as 7698 in = 640.75, for which I’m included to deduce is 640.4628973, which is a repetition of the perimeter / height ratio I gave to the Mycerinus during it’s revision (made necessary because Munck’s Mycerinus model was apparently based on bad data from IES Edwards).
The ratio between adjacent sections here would be 14049 / 12 = 1170.75 / 7698 in = 640.75 = 1.827155677, which might either be Radian / Pi, or the square of the reciprocal of the Squared Munck Megalithic Yard (SRSMMY, lol)
1 / 7.396853331 = 1.351926225; 1.351926225^2 = 1.827704518, which is also 15 “Thoth Remens” in feet, highlighting another way in which the probably highly speculative “Thoth Remen” is integrated into other previously established metrology.
Thoth Remen x 3 = 365.5409035, which is that value that I keep wondering about being present in the Great Pyramid every time I look at E. Raymond Capt’s book, and of course it has plenty of business being there because it’s 2 Pi / Morton’s Cubit in feet.
There’s another, smaller enclosure wall on the south side of the larger one containing Mycerinus’ pyramid
On the West side, the measure is given of 6275 in, for which 2 Pi (6283.185307 / 1000) would always be a great guess, although for the figure in inches, 6275 / 12 = 522.9166666 = 1 / 1912350598, which does resemble the 1.911240674 (500 x 1.216733603 x Pi) figure which is the square root of 1.911240674^2 = 365.2840194 / 10, which may be about as close to the Solar Year as the math I use will ever need to get, although we can do better for what it’s worth.
Equatorial Circumference of Earth in Miles (ECEM) 24901.19742 (the figure I use) x the 5280.37936 mile built on 2^n to my shorter experimental Indus foot will do (1.100078968 x 480 = 5280.379036; 24901.19742 x 5280.379036 = 365.2437801 x 10^n),
If however this more precise value of 365.2437801 for the solar year it were such a good number, I’d probably run into it more often than just that once, lol. This math seems to be far more concerned with the calendar year of ~365 days than the literal year of~365.25 (why we have “leap years”), and likewise with the cycles of other planets as incorporated into calendars as well.
On the East side, the enclosure length is given as 6196 inches / 12 = 516.3333333 ft, looking like perhaps 300 of someone’s Royal Cubit? (300 Morton Cubits of 1.718873885 ft = 515.6620156 ft).
On the South side, the enclosure length is given as 9059 / 12 = 799.9166666. That will look for all the world like 800.0000000, more proof that the ancient Egyptians knew and used the modern foot, and can be taken as such if one chooses, but in my experience, that’s not something that went around trying to prove to us.
Occasionally we get round numbers of feet because they serve an important mathematical purpose in relation to their immediate mathematical environment (their relationships with numbers included nearby), but 8 or 8 x 10^n is hardly something anyone needs to post that way, we already can figure out to halve or double a number multiple times, so that 8 is essentially built into our own analytics and doesn’t need to be part of the mathematical message being interpreted per se.
The more purposeful thing here would probably be the usual: 8 x 1.000723277, not as 1/8 of the proposed 6.404628973 x 100 adjacent to it, but because they are both important and very useful constants in their own right, although there could be hints in there of a common metrological root unit, even if neither Remen nor Royal Cubit in the common sense of something being a fundamental metrological unit (i.e., not a whole number of either)
9059 / 6196 = 1.462072305, which might be 1.462163615, but perhaps the bidding should start at 1.460080323 = 2.9201960646 / 2 (i.e., 1.460080323 = 1.2 Remens in feet [i]as a ratio[/i], not as a linear measure, something I seem to see quite a bit of in ancient architecture).
9059 / 6275 = 1.443665339, several of the stronger possibilities being 2.882083038 / 2 = 1.441041519 and perhaps 2 / (1.177245771^2) = 1.443097644.
6275 / 6196 = 1.012750161, for which my first suggestion would be the Greek foot as a ratio, i.e., 1.216733603 / 1.2 = 1.013944669
Notice the possible symmetry of
1.216733603 x 1.2 = 1.460080323 and
1.216733603 / 1.2 = 1.013944669 / 10
I’m honestly not sure what I think is intended for the distance from the pyramid base to the outside of the wall on the West being 3309 / 12 = 275.75, but perhaps it’s interesting that 275.75 / 1.2167 = 226.6376284, while the same measure to the outside of the same wall is 3401 / 12 = 283.4166666 = 2267.333333 / 8?
The wall length / outer distance is ~640.75 / 275.75 = 2.323662738 – a good starting guess here might be sqrt 540 = 2.323790008; the wall length / inner distance = ~640.75 / 283.4166666 = 2.260805645
I should say concerning what amounts to about 8897 inches on the angled East side of the larger enclosure that 8897 / 2 = 4448.5 = 1 / 224.7948747, looking a lot like the Venus Orbital Period that’s best written in this math as 224.8373808 (and may match a metrological unit proposed by Petrie at Stonehenge).
If so, that would give the wall a value of ((1 / 224.8373808) x 2) / 12 = 741.2764998, as suspected at the opening here.
741.2764998 ft x 12 = 8895.317998 to Petrie’s 8897. A nice thing about this is that 8895.317998 x 12 = the highly prized and remarkable 1.067438159, which tends to recur emphatically at Giza – perimeter Cheops pyramid / perimeter Chephren pyramid, Munck) and 1.067438159 x (360^2) = 1383.399855, my perimeter value for the Mycerinus, revised from Munck’s values for the Mycerinus which were based on bad data from I.E.S. Edwards (not a good author to go to for working pyramid data).
Perhaps the wisdom, logic, and harmony of it are beginning to emerge here?
I’m a bit excited about this next one. Petrie remarks that the courses of red granite at the base of the Mycinerus pyramid cover 1/4 of the pyramid.
It may be harder to achieve consensus on the height of the Mycerinus pyramid because pyramid heights are often extrapolated from base measures and slope angles, and some of the red granite courses are not in a finished state.
I gave it a height of probably 216.000000 originally, one of those times when there may be considerable mathematical rationale for a round number of modern feet (the ancient universal standard of measure, although its usually painfully boring and uninformative to write whole numbers with it).
Interestingly, although Petrie estimated a height about 2 1/2 feet shorter for the height of the Mycerinus pyramid, possibly at least in part because of the unfinished state of the red granite courses casting uncertainty about the intended slope angle, he says (Pyramids and Temples of Giza, “updated” edition with section by Zahi Hawass, pg 37)
“The granite probably ceased at the level of 645.2, i.e., including the lower sixteen courses”, and then proceeds to enumerate the reasons for this. “This being settled, it is worth notice that the granite just covered on quarter of the height of the Pyramid, the total height being 4 x 641 +/- 4”.
645.2 inches / 12 = 53.7666666 ft. 53.7666666 x 4 = 215.0666667, now bringing Petries’ estimate to just under one foot less than my proposed value of 216.0000000.
Perhaps then it is also worth notice that 216 – 53.7666666 = 162.2333333, looking incredibly like another number just as sacred as 1.177245771, namely 1.622311470, to an accuracy of .9999865235, high above the usual “Giza Standard” of .9995 for when approximations are forced upon us.
This is of course even more remarkable because addition and subtraction often do strange and unwanted things to a system of numbers otherwise geared almost exclusively to multiplication and division. Obtaining that kind of result is easily the sort of thing that should have required premeditation, trial, and error.
Another possible strange result of the necessary use of addition and subtraction in this case, could be a small amount of discretionary liberty afforded to interpreters of this design.
Of course in the end there is an overall best interpretation, but for now I wanted to point out that that the estimated figure of 53.7666666 could be taken as 216 / (1 / 24901.19742) = 53.78658643 (accuracy .9996296518) or (1 / (6 x (Pi^3)) = 5.375255739 (decimal placement not critical here) to an accuracy of .9997375832.
While expression of geodetic figures like the earth’s equatorial circumference seems to have a very high priority (my Great Pyramid model is about bursting with them), keeping numbers in harmony with their mathematical environments was also a high priority that is in evidence, hence the relationship 16223.11470 / 3018.11029 (again, 3018.110298 ft is Munck’s Great Pyramid perimeter value) = 5.375255739 is therefore difficult to be dismissive of also.
The more demands we place on these numbers to offer us evidence that they were deliberately chosen by ancient architects, the harder we may have to think about how well they’re living up to those demands sometimes.
The important thing to remember here is that even being able to make either proposal concerning this in the first place is virtually remarkable, especially contrasted against the backdrop of the picture of ignorant ancients our educators have dogmatically painted for us.
From my point of view, this would be an immensely gratifying thing to see, because it’s of paramount important to try to work numbers like Pi, 1.177245771 and 1.62231147 into monumental architecture because they’re hugely important numbers.
With the Great Pyramid, having already specified that the height without the pyramidion was probably 452.389140 feet, I was thrilled to learn than in Morton’s Cubits of 1.718873385 ft, this is
452.389140 / 1.718873385 = 263.1894508 Royal Cubit = 16.22311471^2
Thus is the same thing built into the Great Pyramid’s height, in a model that was based on anything but this particular consideration.
I should hope I get to the bottom of this soon enough, but for now I wanted to share with others a view from the top of it.
Postscript: A Christmas bonus – a little more on the subject of 7.412764998, from an alternate version of this post, if I’m not repeating myself.
WMF Petrie’s data on the Mycerinus pyramid in Pyramids and Temples of Giza gives the distance from the pyramid’s base to the enclosure wall on the west as 4450 inches. 4450 / 12 = 370.33333 ft = 740.66666 / 2; he gives the length for the angled enclosure wall on the southwest side as 8897 inches. 4450 x 2 = 8900, just three inches over being exactly twice the first figure. 4450 / 12 = 741.166667
Candidate figures for 370.33333 ft might be 1/2 Squared Munck Megalithic Yard x 100, or possibly figures that can express the Uranus Synodic Period 369.66 days if we want to stick out our necks and speculate that the ancients were able to see Uranus with the aid of some clever optical apparatus, although some proofs of that would certainly be owed.
3.75 x (Pi^2) = 370.1101650 or 365.5409035 / Pi^2 = 370.370370 might be worth a little consideration?
However, is one of these really supposed to be exactly twice the other?
There is a number that resembles 741.166667. It’s 741.2765010 / 10^n. In March of 2006, I posted an alias list for this number that filled up remarkably fast. It’s an amazingly conversant number for how seldom it seems to be seen, apparently for lack of ancient architects cueing it into their designs, although some fairly obvious permutations like 741.2765010 x Pi might have been used in the vicinity of Tikal.
In standard Remens of 1.216733603 feet, it’s the concave apothem length of the Great Pyramid without pavement, or 500 “Thoth Remens”, in my present model of the Great Pyramid; in standard Royal Cubits it may be something of a nonsensical figure. What is the point of using a metrologically awkward figure like that?
Well, 7.412765010 belongs to a striking enough 360 series
(Bear in mind here I’m ignoring where the decimal point goes, it doesn’t matter at the moment)
7.412765010 x (360^1) = 2.668595404 = 1.067438159 / 4
7.412765010 x (360^2) = 9606.943453 = Great Pyramid Perimeter paved 3018.110298 ft x Pi = 9606.943453
7.412765010 x (360^3) = 345.8499643, revised sidelength Mycerinus Pyramid
7.412765010 x (360^4) = 12450.59872 = 24901.19742 / 2
Giza has found yet another way to tell us what the circumference of the Earth is? How many is that now? We’re well into the dozens, at least
7.412765010 is also the so-called “Real Mayan Annoyance” (see preceding posts) / ((2 Pi)^2). 2 Pi will also draw more data out of 7.412765010 at various powers, as will the Radian 57.29577951.
It also answers to one of the Great Pyramid’s resident forms of “Phi”, if that’s what we can call them, as 12 / 1.618829140 = 7.412765010
Also, I think it’s interesting that (57.29577951 x 2) x 1.177245771 = 1 / 7.412765010, when 1.177245771 / (57.29577951 x 2) = the ever-popular 1.027340741, which if we like we can think of as the reciprocal Roman foot (1 / 1.027340741 = .973386881 ft = 4/5 of 1 Remen of 1.216733603.
Petrie gives the distance from the base of the Mycerinus pyramid to the outer side of the west wall as 3309 inches, and the distance to the inner side of the west wall as 3401 inches. 3401/3309 = 1.027802962 — 1.027340741, anyone?
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